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Post by LittleMissLit » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:26 pm

Okay, so here's my prediction for the 2008 election:

Barack Obama becomes President, and he chooses Kathleen Sebelius as his VP.

Obama is assassinated, and Sebelius becomes Pres....
The 1st woman President.

That would seriously tick off Hilary Clinton.
lol

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Post by Ford08 » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:30 pm

I really think that John McCain will win it all. So sad for hiliary and her husband having so much extra time on his hands in the white house.

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Post by LittleMissLit » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:32 pm

Too bad for Mr. Woodring...
I don't see any way his prediction would come true.










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Post by East Buc & UMR » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:44 pm

I don't see Kathleen Sebelius being choosen as a VP. The DNC likes her in charge of a very republican state. If they picked her she wouldn't give them KS nor any other state.

If Obama wins the nomination expect a southern guy who has LOTS of experience.

If Hillary wins I could see her picking Obama or Bill Richardson.

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Post by ELADAMO89 » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:00 pm

as long as hilary loses
im happy

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Post by AShoaib » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:06 pm

I can see Obama/Edwards. Does it balance the ticket though?

I'd much rather Obama/Biden though.

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Post by redliberte » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:14 pm

nah, i think biden's a shoe-in for secretary of state though. i think obama/edwards would be a really smart pair, but i'm not sure if edwards even wants to be anyone's veep....

obama/mark warner would be another good pair.

i really want obama to get the nom. in a hillary-mccain contest, though... i'd have to vote for mccain.

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Post by East Buc & UMR » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:31 pm

I don't think Obama Edwards makes much sense either. Back in 2004 the knock on Edwards was age/experience the same thing Obama is fighting now. Biden would work for age, but get closer in the south he needs a southern guy.

What is so wrong with Hillary btw?

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Post by Charlie Dees » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:03 pm

Seconded -
I really don't get it when people just throw out that they "don't like Hilary" or equivalents - give an actual reason some time that focuses on her beliefs or past actions or something that really should be standing in a political debate.

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Post by AShoaib » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:00 pm

Personally, I really don't like her foreign policy issues. Obama's are slightly similar, but (and correct me if I am wrong) are less aggressive.

Ideally, I think Biden would do us good. But he dropped.










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Post by Charlie Dees » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:10 pm

Thank you.

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Post by FishyFreshman » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:57 am

I think it will be really hard for either Obama or Clinton to beat McCain, especially Clinton. So many people just "don't like her," like Charles said. It is unfortunate that it happens that way. I wish I could vote lol.

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Post by LibertyMarie » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:23 pm

LittleMissLit wrote: Obama is assassinated, and Sebelius becomes Pres....
The 1st woman President.
That would seriously tick off Hilary Clinton.
lol
Yeah, the idea of Obama being assassinated really makes me laugh out loud, too.

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Post by scphilli » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:19 pm

The Democratic ticket I see working is Obama/Richardson.

Bill Richardson has been in Congress, the Cabinet (Sec. of Energy), Ambassador to the UN and the Governor of New Mexico. If the charge is that Obama is too green experience-wise, Richardson clearly compliments that much in the same way LBJ did for JFK. Also the appeal he has to Hispanic voters cannot be underestimated. He could also be used to effectively blunt McCain (Because we all know this is going to be McCain-Huckabee; Romney just isn't going to pull this out and the evangelical wing of the party will need to be mollified.) on the immigration issue, the issue that is currently giving McCain the most trouble, almost by sheer virtue of his governing a state where that is a huge issue.

I must say that I am extremely happy to vote finally in a primary that actually matters. Voting for Al Sharpton out of protest is not something I ever want to do again.

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Post by LittleMissLit » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:45 pm

LibertyMarie wrote:
LittleMissLit wrote: Obama is assassinated, and Sebelius becomes Pres....
The 1st woman President.
That would seriously tick off Hilary Clinton.
lol
Yeah, the idea of Obama being assassinated really makes me laugh out loud, too.
I meant "lol" to Hilary being ticked off, not Obama being assassinated.

I like Obama, personally.
I think it would be tragic if he were assassinated, but in the ignorant society we live in, I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to think some jackass might shoot him just because he's black.

I was making a joke.

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Post by Charlie Dees » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:04 am

I would be pretty shocked if he was assassinated since he would have the secret service and everything working insanely hard to make sure he's not assassinated. I mean, these days you don't just go around shooting presidents like you could before.

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Post by LittleMissLit » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:12 am

My bad.

wait... you can't?
lol jk.

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Post by MikeWormdog » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:34 pm

I would like Obama to win, but I think an Obama-McCain (or even Hillary-McCain) would be a rather enlightened race (especially compared to previous years). I like the Obama-Richardson idea, too. I think John Edwards would make a very good Health and Human Services secretary (though he might prefer to be Attorney General or something higher up).

Hillary's a bit too marm-ish for my taste, and 28 out of my 29 years have had a Bush or a Clinton as either president or v.p. I also think Obama would get better, more diverse cabinet members/advisers than Clinton, who would likely get more toadies/party stooges in her inner circle.

I hope McCain (if he wins) doesn't pick Huckabee. I keep hearing rumors of a McCain-Lieberman ticket. I don't think I'd vote for it, but it would be interesting.

I'm also interested in hearing who Mr. Jason Mueller voted for/supports, because it seems in "Missouruh" (as opposed to Missouri) there are "Democrats" who aren't pro-choice, aren't tolerant of gay people or Mexicans, and want to carry firearms everywhere they go.

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Post by AShoaib » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:32 pm

Are there any Ron Paul people here? He's funny. In the "you're never going to win the elections, don't run as an independent and split the teenage vote".

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Post by Charlie Dees » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:36 pm

Man I hate Ron Paul.
Edit- i'll offer up the reason that he has given unsatisfactory explanations of racist statements he published, along with pretty much everything that people skewered him for in the hsquizbowl thread entitled RON PAUL BLIMP! OH THE HUMANITY.

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Post by AShoaib » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:42 pm

See, me being a foreigner and all ("furriner"... it took me twenty minutes to figure out what that word was when I read it in Sound and the Fury) really like Paul's foreign policy. Non-interventionist, not supporting dictators, not overthrowing socialist leaders, etc. His domestic policy scares the !&*@ out of me though. Get rid of the FDA? :angry:

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Post by STPickrell » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:51 pm

MikeWormdog wrote: I'm also interested in hearing who Mr. Jason Mueller voted for/supports, because it seems in "Missouruh" (as opposed to Missouri) there are "Democrats" who aren't pro-choice, aren't tolerant of gay people or Mexicans, and want to carry firearms everywhere they go.
FWIW, Benton County went 69-27 for Clinton. Are Missouri primaries closed, or open?

The most Hillary will offer is four more years of 51/49 politics. Obama offers a chance to break that circle.

Huckabee's actual *positions* (pro-life and moderate on other issues) is probably closest to my point of view. On the other hand, he is running for the Presidency of ALL Americans, and not just the Christian Americans.

Romney is underachieving tonight.

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Post by STPickrell » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:53 pm

AShoaib wrote: See, me being a foreigner and all ("furriner"... it took me twenty minutes to figure out what that word was when I read it in Sound and the Fury) really like Paul's foreign policy. Non-interventionist, not supporting dictators, not overthrowing socialist leaders, etc. His domestic policy scares the !&*@ out of me though. Get rid of the FDA? :angry:
Come on. Everything will be swell! The Jungle was just a work of fiction!

In all seriousness, is there a reason why something like Underwriters Laboratories (the UL symbol on electric stuff) couldn't be done for food and drugs (including imported drugs -- just open every 20th bottle and analyze the pills.)

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Post by redliberte » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:08 pm

i was watching election returns tonight with a rabid ron paul fan. it was.... interesting.

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Post by East Buc & UMR » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:18 pm

CNN has Obama with 5K more votes with only 2% left to count. The star has more Votes to count and much lower total for both.

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Post by Jeffrey Hill » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:34 pm

Fox just called it for Obama, with the 5,000 more votes with 2% left that you mentioned.

edit: Their website shows Hillary though...

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Post by scphilli » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:54 pm

redliberte wrote: i was watching election returns tonight with a rabid ron paul fan. it was.... interesting.
I watched mine on a split screen with the results on the bottom quarter and showtunes on the top 3/4. Showtunes + politics + beer = Happy Sean.

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Post by scphilli » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:58 pm

MikeWormdog wrote: I hope McCain (if he wins) doesn't pick Huckabee.  I keep hearing rumors of a McCain-Lieberman ticket. I don't think I'd vote for it, but it would be interesting.
My boyfriend once dated a woman who was an evangelical. Evidently, she and her family once openly referred to Lieberman as a "devil" and voted for Bush because they wouldn't vote for a Jew. If McCain picked him, he may as well drop his pants, sit on a Xerox machine, set it to the maximum number of copies, and mail them to the religious right with instructions on how to kiss.

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Post by MikeWormdog » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:37 pm

To a certain strain of evangelicals, being Jewish is an advantage, but I see what you mean. I've also heard Condoleezza Rice as a rumored possibility, but that could have its own problems among that same group.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney (despite what Dubya might say) are not evangelical Christians--people still voted for them in droves. Bush is even fairly progressive when it comes to illegal immigration. Bush is considered a friend of evangelicals (if not an outright member) while McCain gets flak for having similar stances. I'm not sure what McCain can do to win that vote back other than run against Hillary.

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Post by L-Town Expatriate » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:11 pm

I will say this: here in Northwest Arkansas, the hot-button issue is immigration. If Richardson's the Veep, no matter how skilled he his, no matter how qualified and pragmatic he is, the morons and push-pollers that connect him with the hookoo number of illegal immigrants from Mexico, Honduras, and El Salvador will sink the Democratic ticket. Heck, Ron Paul had a strong following here because Mike Huckabee was a bit too compassionate toward illegal immigrants in terms of proposing that their kids get in-state tuition to Arkansas colleges.

With moderate McCain all but securing the GOP nomination, the GOP will need to find a viable conservative VP (Huckabee if he gets off his high horse, or perhaps Romney or even (shudder) Brownback or (shudder x2) boy-gov Blunt) to ensure that their ticket appeals across the centre-right spectrum.

If the ticket's McCain-Huckabee, they will likely win, regardless of who Clinton or Obama pick as their running mate (including each other).
If the GOP ticket's McCain-Giuliani, expect a religious right split that sends the election to Obama-Biden or Obama-McCaskill. (You heard right: McCaskill. Unless Kenny Hulshof gets statewide name recognition in a flash, that seat's secure as the governor's mansion and 11 electoral votes go blue. And she might help pick up Arkansas and some border states with her voting record indicating a strong will to curb illegal immigration.)

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Post by MikeWormdog » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:38 pm

People in Springdale are often shortsighted. Hmmm, I wonder which demographic group forms the bulk of the labor force that works in the chicken processing facilities that led to that region's economic boom? If people thought sensibly, folks in Arkansas would be very welcoming towards immigrants in their home state (illegal or otherwise).

I still think Arkansas as a whole would lean towards the Democrats (which I think is a given if it's Hillary for prez, even with Huckabee as a vp), but you never know.

McCaskill would be an interesting pick for Obama, if he wins.

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Post by L-Town Expatriate » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:52 am

True Chickendalers are shortsighted. How else can you explain the $3 million deficit in the city budget other than "let's build a ballpark instead of improve infrastructure like Rogers?" But at the same time, you've got the less than pleasant elements of migrant workers (moreso the migrant non-workers) coming into town and, well, being less than pleasant and ruining the potential of integrating cultures. And this is weighing in the minds of not just Springdale voters, but in Rogers, Dardanelle, and parts outside of the 479 area code.

McCaskill will prove an interesting choice, again contingent on if Republicans in their haste to project a unified front pitch a VP candidate not entirely palatable to conservatives. Paired with Obama, she will definitely peel Missouri away (Nixon being the favorite for Governor will also fuel Democrat efforts) and possibly Iowa, Arkansas and maybe even Oklahoma. However, the less than Pleasantville elements of her personal life (Her first husband turned out to be a drug addict and she divorced him right after he was caught with crack at the Argosy in Riverside! He's since been murdered on the streets of KCK.) might wind up being fodder for the GOP ticket desperate to pin something on her. Oh, and Archbishop Burke saying she couldn't deliver the commence address at her daughter's graduation ceremony because of her position on stem-cell research. And the fact that an Obama-McCaskill ticket would have a combined six years federal experience, considerably paltry to what we really need in terms of foreign affairs.

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Post by LibertyMarie » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:51 pm

L-Town Expatriate wrote: However, the less than Pleasantville elements of her personal life (Her first husband turned out to be a drug addict and she divorced him right after he was caught with crack at the Argosy in Riverside! He's since been murdered on the streets of KCK.) might wind up being fodder for the GOP ticket desperate to pin something on her. Oh, and Archbishop Burke saying she couldn't deliver the commence address at her daughter's graduation ceremony because of her position on stem-cell research. And the fact that an Obama-McCaskill ticket would have a combined six years federal experience, considerably paltry to what we really need in terms of foreign affairs.
Yeah, other than that, it sounds great! haha

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Post by Charlie Dees » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:08 pm

Oh, and Archbishop Burke saying she couldn't deliver the commence address at her daughter's graduation ceremony because of her position on stem-cell research.
Who cares? That would practically be a rallying point for her.

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Post by scphilli » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:47 pm

L-Town Expatriate wrote: McCaskill will prove an interesting choice, again contingent on if Republicans in their haste to project a unified front pitch a VP candidate not entirely palatable to conservatives. Paired with Obama, she will definitely peel Missouri away (Nixon being the favorite for Governor will also fuel Democrat efforts) and possibly Iowa, Arkansas and maybe even Oklahoma. However, the less than Pleasantville elements of her personal life (Her first husband turned out to be a drug addict and she divorced him right after he was caught with crack at the Argosy in Riverside! He's since been murdered on the streets of KCK.) might wind up being fodder for the GOP ticket desperate to pin something on her. Oh, and Archbishop Burke saying she couldn't deliver the commence address at her daughter's graduation ceremony because of her position on stem-cell research. And the fact that an Obama-McCaskill ticket would have a combined six years federal experience, considerably paltry to what we really need in terms of foreign affairs.
Which is why we should stop pandering to rednecks who aren't going to vote Dem. anyway, and start going after the second largest (and constantly growing) minority in the country while the getting is good. If Obama wanted to select an insincere woman as his running mate, he should just pick Hillary.

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Post by LibertyMarie » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:37 am

this video pretty much sums up my attitude toward this election: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU

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Prediction for 2008: After a passionate speech, Mike Gravel convinces all of the delegates at the Democratic Convention to support him and he becomes the Democratic nominee. The powerhouse Mike Gravel-Noam Chomsky ticket then goes on to defeat Ron Paul, who becomes the Republican nominee after it is discovered in the deceased John McCain's will that all McCain delegates are to go to Paul in the event of McCain's death, and his runningmate David Duke.

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Post by L-Town Expatriate » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:59 pm

scphilli wrote:
L-Town Expatriate wrote: McCaskill will prove an interesting choice, again contingent on if Republicans in their haste to project a unified front pitch a VP candidate not entirely palatable to conservatives.  Paired with Obama, she will definitely peel Missouri away (Nixon being the favorite for Governor will also fuel Democrat efforts) and possibly Iowa, Arkansas and maybe even Oklahoma.  However, the less than Pleasantville elements of her personal life (Her first husband turned out to be a drug addict and she divorced him right after he was caught with crack at the Argosy in Riverside!  He's since been murdered on the streets of KCK.) might wind up being fodder for the GOP ticket desperate to pin something on her.  Oh, and Archbishop Burke saying she couldn't deliver the commence address at her daughter's graduation ceremony because of her position on stem-cell research.  And the fact that an Obama-McCaskill ticket would have a combined six years federal experience, considerably paltry to what we really need in terms of foreign affairs.
Which is why we should stop pandering to rednecks who aren't going to vote Dem. anyway, and start going after the second largest (and constantly growing) minority in the country while the getting is good. If Obama wanted to select an insincere woman as his running mate, he should just pick Hillary.
Largest growing minority because the border's wide open. Hey, just as long as they pay taxes into the system and become citizens through legitimate and education-oriented methods, not by the Reagan-signed loophole that only caused this to cycle through again.

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Post by MikeWormdog » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:46 am

I'm not sure anyone should blame Reagan for immigration problems due in a large part to racist quota systems and a historically nativist attitude many US citizens have had since 1776. If the problem were too many Canadians, I don't think that many people would be up in arms. Personally, I blame James K. Polk for not annexing Mexico in 1848--we wouldn't have this problem.

I do like the Dream Act (which Kyle alluded to). However, the notion of secure/impregnable/walled borders strikes me as un-American and at odds with a free and open society. Now even Canada is a ***** to get in and out of because of this attitude. I think enforcing internal regulations regarding employment rather than having armed guards telling people to keep out of our country are a better way to go.

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Post by LibertyMarie » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:22 am

MikeWormdog wrote: If the problem were too many Canadians, I don't think that many people would be up in arms.
We don't want their kind here! ...eh?
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Post by DeckardCain » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:12 pm

Oh God, not this again!

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Post by STPickrell » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:28 pm

Barring a miracle, Obama will go in with a clear (100+) lead in pledged delegates (BTW, they are only pledged for the first ballot.)

The youths who probably fuelled Nader's 2000 run will be coming out in droves for Obama. I am not so sure they will come out if Clinton wins, certainly if she emerges from a brokered convention.

If there are shenanigans, Obama could run as on a third party bid -- rumors have it that Bloomberg would provide one BILLION for that. I suspect if that happened, it would be a two person race with Obama and McCain. Clinton would get 15-20% of the vote finishing third, IMO.

McCain has alienated a couple percentage points of wingnuts on the far-right who will either stay at home or vote for the Constitution Party candidate. If the CP nominates someone we've heard of that is within the realm of third party normalcy, he will get 2-3% of the vote.

A few of the wingnuts on the far-left will be voting for Nader to be sure. I would much rather see him on the Green ticket than Cynthia McKinney.

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Post by Charlie Dees » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:31 pm

Gotta love that Cynthia McKinney.

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Post by L-Town Expatriate » Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:24 pm

Obama on a third-party ticket? That would certainly hand the election to McCain the way Teddy Roosevelt handed the 1912 election to Woodrow Wilson. (And if I were alive & old enough to vote then, I definitely would have voted for TR!) The only way I'd see that happening is if the Clintons hijack the convention and/or party after it became apparent that Obama was going to be the nominee.

He will flounder in debates with McCain, especially when it comes to foreign policy (except if Joe Biden's the running mate). Bomb Pakistan but meet with Chavez without conditions? Egad!

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Post by ajax » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:59 pm

Obama has media support, thus he'll probably get it. McCain got Bush support which isn't very helpful to his candidacy. Clinton and Obama have the same issue views. I could see them on one ticket, but I doubt it. McCain might win one debate or two, but Obama is quiet and careful never to be against the crowd. I watched the Texas Primary and Hillary went for a shot against Obama; it lead to a boo session from the crowd. Obama typically gets ten minutes of media time in his speeches as compared to Hillary's five or less minutes. Thus, with Obama as the media darling, I expect him to win.

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Post by Charlie Dees » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:06 pm

ajax wrote: Clinton is remembered for her husband's sexual appetite toward secretaries.
That's a massive generalization right there. She's remembered for other stuff like having that healthcare plan back in the 90s, being a senator, Whitewater, "It Takes a Village," and stuff.

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Post by ajax » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:11 pm

I decided to edit that because it was a gross exaggeration. But has Bill really helped her campaign? In my opinion, not really. Bill has said a lot of things to hurt her especially in South Carolina.

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