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Post Questions Galore comparison thread #1234567890
The thread that the direct questions were asked in is here - http://moquizbowl.com/single/?p=8005848&t=7599262
It however had to do with that post I linked to earlier.


Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:39 am
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Post Questions Galore comparison thread #1234567890
FZW Coach wrote:
By the way, I think all of this started because I took some slight offense to the fact that Charles Hang said that the general impression towards the GAC tournament questions were negative. That was not the case whatsoever.

I apologize if you took offense to my statement, so let me rephrase it. The only team I personally played at GACs other than you was Francis Howell High School. Francis Howell High School's players (and their coach) agreed with my criticisms of Questions Galore's questions. So did the moderators in our match (one of whom compared QG to the MAP testing sample questions, which apparently only consist of the questions rejected for actual MAP use.

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...of banning the eight of us who supported Questions Galore (I may have voted against this one . . . I know there were a few times when I was the only one who voted against something . . . actually, I think it was the rule where you do not have to repeat the entire question . . the vote was 7 - 1 on that one).


What exactly do you mean by "supported Questions Galore?" Do you mean that you all acquiesced to them (which is understandable, given that they were the only bid), or do you mean that you personally did not feel as if there was a problem with making QG the state provider? If the latter, that seems to contradict what you've said previously about how you felt that QG represented "a step back" (your words) for Missouri Quiz Bowl.

Alternatively, are you paraphrasing Sean's feelings on the topic--as in he felt that you 8 supported QG?


<div class="editby">Edited by <a href='http://s4.zetaboards.com/Academic_Competition/profile/89143/'>Charbroil</a>, Apr 1 2009, 01:26:21 PM.</div>


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Post Questions Galore comparison thread #1234567890
This post contains overall stats for the 2004-2008 state tournaments, as well as PPG comparisons for a bunch of known tournaments in MSHSAA format. However, keep in mind that basing arguments that one provider is better than another exclusively on scores is a BAD idea, as it does not take into account question quality, that games involved different teams from different years, tournaments with different field strength, etc., so this DOES NOT mean that the Avery 2006 State set is 35% better than the Lexington 2009 set, etc. This data is most accurately viewed as simply an indication of how well participating teams did on a particular set.

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STATE SCORES (2004-2009)

Classes 1 & 2

2004 State Championships on Straight A (I think)

Highest score by a winner: 450 (C2 Rd. 1, Richland vs. Purdy 115)
Average winning score: 295.32

Highest combined score: 640 (C1 Rd. 3, Mound City 410, TJ 230)
Average combined score: 454.4

Average team ppg: 227.2

<hr />2005 State Championships on Avery

Highest score by a winner: 470 (C2 Semi, Richland vs. South Shelby 105)
Average winning score: 293.13

Highest combined score: 610 (C1 Rd. 2, St. Joseph Christian 360, Bell City 250)
Average combined score: 460.78

Average team ppg: 230.39

<hr />2006 State Championships on Avery

Highest score by a winner: 400 (C2 Rd. 1, Richland vs. South Pemiscot 150)
Average winning score: 230.16

Highest combined score: 550 (C2 Rd. 1, Richland 400, South Pemiscot 150)
Average combined score: 359.38

Average team ppg: 179.69

<hr />2007 State Championships on Avery

Highest score by a winner: 475 (C2 Rd. 1, Richland vs. Smithton 80)
Average winning score: 266.72 (16% higher than 2006)

Highest combined score: 555 (C2 Rd. 1, Richland 475, Smithton 80)
Average combined score: 415.16 (16% higher than 2006)

Average team ppg: 207.58

<hr />2008 State Championships on Pickrell

Highest score by a winner: 415 (C2 Rd. 1, Richland vs. Purdy 135)
Average winning score: 279.06 (5% higher than 2007)

Highest combined score: 555 (C2 Semi, Richland 400 vs. Purdy 155)
Average combined score: 442.97 (7% higher than 2007)

Average team ppg: 221.49

<hr />2009 State Championships on Questions Galore

Highest score by a winner: 300 (C2 Rd. 1, Richland vs. Elsberry 80)
Average winning score: 215.94 (23% lower than 2008)

Highest combined score: 555 (C2 Championship, Richland 280 vs. St. Paul Lutheran 275)
Average combined score: 362.81 (18% lower than 2008)

Average team ppg: 181.41

<hr />Small schools in descending team PPG order:
256.84 (2007 UMR Spring tournament, house-written, includes some Class 3)
250.33 (2005 UMR Spring tournament, house-written, includes some Class 3)
248.17 (2008 UMR Spring tournament, questions from NAQT A-Set, includes some Class 3)
230.39 (2005 STATE Avery)
227.20 (2004 STATE Straight A)
221.49 (2008 STATE Pickrell)

207.58 (2007 STATE Avery)
206.86 (2006 UMR Spring tournament, house-written, includes some Class 3)
181.41 (2009 STATE QG)
179.69 (2006 STATE Avery)
172.00 (2009 Knob Noster on Question Bank, average of 9 small schools in combined field also containing 11 large schools)
166.62 (2009 UMR Spring tournament, questions from NAQT IS set, includes some Class 3)
132.31 (2009 Lexington tournament, includes some Class 3)

<hr /><hr />Classes 3 & 4

2004 State Championships on Straight A (I think)

Highest score by a winner: 625 (C3 Rd. 1, WCA vs. Notre Dame (Cape Gir.) 150)
Interesting note: the top winning score in class 4 was PCH 390 vs. SLUH 185 in round 2
Average winning score: 372.81

Highest combined score: 775 (C3 Rd. 1, WCA 625, Notre Dame (Cape Gir.) 150)
Average combined score: 573.28

Average team ppg: 286.64

<hr />2005 State Championships on Avery

Highest score by a winner: 565 (C3 Rd. 1, WCA vs. El Dorado Springs 130)
Average winning score: 391.25

Highest combined score: 765 (C3 Rd. 2, WCA 465, Lexington 300)
Average combined score: 598.44

Average team ppg: 299.22

<hr />2006 State Championships on Avery

Highest score by a winner: 540 (C3 Rd. 2, WCA vs. Macon 80)
Average winning score: 310.63

Highest combined score: 640 (C4 Rd. 2, Ladue 430, SLUH 210)
Average combined score: 468.13

Average team ppg: 234.07

<hr />2007 State Championships on Avery

Highest score by a winner: 450 (C3 Rd. 1, Savannah vs. Hallsville 100)
Average winning score: 325.63 (5% higher than 2006)

Highest combined score: 720 (C4 Rd. 2, NKC 420, Cape Central 300)
Average combined score: 519.84 (11% higher than 2006)

Average team ppg: 259.92

<hr />2008 State Championships on Pickrell

Highest score by a winner: 495 (C4 Rd. 2, Kirksville vs. Cape Central 240)
Average winning score: 377.03 (16% higher than 2007)

Highest combined score: 770 (C4 Rd. 3, NKC 490, Ladue 280)
Average combined score: 608.44 (17% higher than 2007)

Average team ppg: 304.22

<hr />2009 State Championships on Questions Galore

Highest score by a winner: 455 (C4 Rd. 2, Ladue vs. Nixa 170)
Average winning score: 293.59 (22% lower than 2008)

Highest combined score: 655 (C4 Rd. 2, NKC 400, Jackson 255)
Average combined score: 490.63 (19% lower than 2008)

Average team ppg: 245.32

<hr />Large School Team PPG's in descending order:
305.63 (2009 UMR Spring tournament; Class 3 teams were in small school division)
304.43 (2007 UMR Spring tournament; some Class 3 teams were in small schools)
304.22 (2008 STATE Pickrell)
299.22 (2005 STATE Avery)
286.64 (2004 STATE Straight A)

282.60 (2008 UMR Spring tournament; some Class 3 teams were in small schools)
270.10 (2005 UMR Spring tournament; some Class 3 teams were in small schools)
259.92 (2007 STATE Avery)
259.78 (2006 UMR Spring tournament; some, if not all, Class 3 teams were in small schools)
245.32 (2009 STATE QG)
234.07 (2006 STATE Avery)
233.37 (2009 Knob Noster on Question Bank, average of 11 large schools in combined field also containing 9 small schools)
217.31 (2009 GAC tournament)
174.35 (2009 Lexington tournament; some Class 3 teams were in small school division)


<hr />EDIT: Added 2007 and 2008 data. Also, just remembered that the [hr] tag exists, and is a much more convenient divider than a bunch of "=" characters in a row

Edit again: 2004 and 2005 added. Also added PPGs from all other UMR tournaments for additional comparison. And Knob Noster.

EDIT: Added 2009 MSHSAA State data


<div class="editby">Edited by <a href='http://s4.zetaboards.com/Academic_Competition/profile/88961/'>U. Lou Sthagaim</a>, May 11 2009, 11:31:01 AM.</div>


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Post Questions Galore comparison thread #1234567890
FishyFreshman wrote:
Yes, he does. He has stat breakdowns by category for most of our tournaments.
Is this using the Access database I created or something else?


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