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Post by Charlie Dees » Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:41 pm

Our school's debate and Forsensics team is going to a tournament at Harvard really soon. It is supposedly a qualifier for nationals. Does this violate MSHSAA rules? If not, then why can Debate go that far away yet we can't? And qualify for nationals?

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Post by scphilli » Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:38 pm

ashkenaziCD wrote: Our school's debate and Forsensics team is going to a tournament at Harvard really soon. It is supposedly a qualifier for nationals. Does this violate MSHSAA rules? If not, then why can Debate go that far away yet we can't? And qualify for nationals?
This is a murky area as I never understood this either in high school, but I am guessing that MSHSAA has basically found a way to live with the existence of NFL (that has to be an NFL-sponsored tournament, there's no other reason to go that far), as it vastly predates MSHSAA and was entrenched in this state. They probably have a special exception buried deep in the rules that allows this.

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Post by scphilli » Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:46 pm

Also iirc, no one NFL tournament is in and of itself a qualifier for nationals, which is a difference from most quizbowl tournaments.

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Post by carpenoctem63141 » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:19 pm

Debate is only allowed to travel within a 250 mile radius, and gets one freebie tournament outside that distance.

I think Harvard is a ToC qualifier, but I have no idea what the MSHSAA policy is on that. Besides, I believe you have to have two bids to qualify for the ToC, so just one tournament wouldn't be able to qualify.

I don't really remember why NFL Nationals is allowed, actually. I think it has something to do with school being out...

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Post by redliberte » Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:41 pm

I think Harvard is a ToC qualifier, but I have no idea what the MSHSAA policy is on that. Besides, I believe you have to have two bids to qualify for the ToC, so just one tournament wouldn't be able to qualify.
yeah, this is what i understand to be true as well. ToC is definitely a MSHSAA no-no, i think for the same reasons that they restrict national level quiz bowl competitions. NFL i believe functions under some sort of grandfather clause in relation to MSHSAA because it predates it.

we have a very odd system in MO... but KS is even more strict, so i can't complain.

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