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Liberty will be hosting our annual tournament on January 22nd. It will be for both Varsity and JV, and we are writing the questions. I will post Camp's letter once she sends it to the coaches on her list.

I will not screw up lightning round arrangement this year! :)


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You better not! This year make it impossible for anyone to sweep the rounds! :D


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You better not! This year make it impossible for anyone to sweep the rounds! :D

Well, Camp's writing most of the lightning rounds so we'll see


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Well... she won't make them that impossible. However, at least it won't be between "Given a soldier who fought under Colonel Doniphan, name the company they enlisted under", "Given a character from the show Taxi name their understudy", and "Given an eponomous album, name who recorded it."


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isn't it eponymous? or at least i thought i saw it in a guitar magazine somewhere as eponymous...anywho...


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MoundCityBMW...T wrote:
isn't it eponymous? or at least i thought i saw it in a guitar magazine somewhere as eponymous...anywho...

Yeah, it probably is.


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Camp just sent the volunteer letter.

Penn Bowl (a tournament date Scogs is trying to avoid conflicting with for BL3) is also Jan. 22, so I might actually be coming home.


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Come to our tournament! ...I wrote a question that is a LIMERICK!


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Are you the girl from ACE Camp who wore Tom's shirt and my pants?


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what is a LIMERICK?!?


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Limerick, a five-line poem of Irish origin with an aabba rhyme scheme, usually of a humorous nature, popularized by Edward Lear.


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Come to our tournament!  ...I wrote a question that is a LIMERICK!

Marie, for the love of all sense of integrity and unsoiled competition, DON'T TALK ABOUT QUESTIONS BEING WRITTEN FOR AN UPCOMING TOURNAMENT!!!

Jeff, you will need to take note of this.


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Jason I was kidding-- But I did figure you would be the nerd to answer


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Are you the girl from ACE Camp who wore Tom's shirt and my pants?

That's Maree (Mary); but she will unfortunately be graduating at semester due to recent family issues, so NKC is her last possible tournament. Which makes going to ACE somewhat of a waste of money.


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Marie, for the love of all sense of integrity and unsoiled competition, DON'T TALK ABOUT QUESTIONS BEING WRITTEN FOR AN UPCOMING TOURNAMENT!!!

It could be anything, so it's not a big deal. But yes, please don't talk any more about our questions. All that it will help is once you hear it you'll know who wrote it; it won't help a team score better by knowing that.


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well, both things I had to say have been addressed, but I'll talk some anyway...bah, it's not helping anyone to tell them that I wrote a LIMERICK. I was just excited about my poetic genius (...) and figured this was the place to share it, haha

What, Maree got into Savannah's pants, what? haha sorry, that one was way too easy. Naw, I wish I was as cool as Maree, lol


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DavidH wrote:
Are you the girl from ACE Camp who wore Tom's shirt and my pants?

That's Maree (Mary); but she will unfortunately be graduating at semester due to recent family issues, so NKC is her last possible tournament. Which makes going to ACE somewhat of a waste of money.

I didn't hear about that.


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Haha... I said I was going to post the invitation when Camp sent it, but I don't think I need to... as of this morning we have 42 teams (21 V, 21 JV) and Excelsior Springs called after school today...

please bring good buzzers... we had a nightmare with buzzer problems last year


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I personally may not be at the tournament until the afternoon rounds, because I have to take the SATII that morning. Savannah will definitely be there though.


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Jason probably couldn't get a total of half this many teams if he held a tournament every day.

The number will be around 54. We have 27 Varsity and 26 JV confirmed, and there will probably be a school that decides to bring another varsity team to even out the numbers. I believe the deadline for registration was last Thursday, so this number thankfully should not grow anymore, but might end up being 56. I will have to get a list of all the teams from Camp so that I could post it. Now let's hope there aren't as many buzzer problems as we did last year.


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Stop dissing me, you dweeb.


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Stop dissing me, you dweeb.

He's just warming up for the new Capote Classic ritual: the flinging of the Fish.

Even Strong Bad's getting into it:
"The Fish was delish and it made quite a dish."


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It will be a madhouse... 60 teams.

Lee's Summit and Winnetonka registered late for various reasons I don't need to disclose. That brought it up to 59 teams... and to even it out, Camp told McCrary he could bring an extra team.


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Here is the list of teams attending our tournament. Each school is bringing one Varsity and one JV team, except St. Joe Christian is NOT bringing a JV team and Lexington should be bringing an extra JV team to make up for it.

Barstow
Belton
Bishop LeBlond
Blue Springs
Blue Springs South
Cameron
Excelsior Springs
Fort Osage
Kearney
Lee's Summit
Lee's Summit North
Lee's Summit West
Lexington
Maryville
Mound City
North Kansas City
Notre Dame de Sion
Oak Grove
Oak Park
Park Hill
Park Hill South
Platte County
Raytown
Raytown South
Savannah
Smithville
St. Joe Christian
Truman
William Chrisman
Winnetonka

Should be an exciting day of excellent competition. Now I hope the questions are as good as I think they are.


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Make sure Camp invites Metro Sports and/or KLPS to tape highlights! This will be big!!


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Jeff, if you're reading this from school, I'm sketching out a cover design idea a la H*R's menu design (minus the buttons and Strong Sad bashings). If not, you can find it on your desk when you get home.


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I don't think I mentioned that because of the vast amount of teams, we had to go from 6 to 7 rounds. I have written the entire Varsity final, and Mark (a JV player who also has nothing better to do) has written the entire JV final.

The format is the same as years' past:
15 tossups at 10 points each
10 tossup at 10 points each with 4 part bonuses, 5 points each part
Lightning rounds with sweeping bonus
15 tossups - I don't know if they're 10 or 20 points yet.

3 morning swiss-paired rounds, then top 16 teams advance. Because games usually go 30-45 minutes, Camp wants to run the fourth round before lunch (KYLE: DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT ON THE BOARD; YOU'VE DONE ENOUGH ALREADY AT HOME).


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the more rounds before lunch the better. I think we had lunch last year around 1 at ours.


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ScoBo1987 wrote:
Because games usually go 30-45 minutes, Camp wants to run the fourth round before lunch (KYLE: DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT ON THE BOARD; YOU'VE DONE ENOUGH ALREADY AT HOME).

In that case I'll have the Chamber of Commerce gripe at her. The tournament should be a one-day booster for the already blossoming Liberty economy, and sixteen teams (as opposed to at least 32) sticking around won't provide as much of an impact.

The most teams of any recent high school tournament in Missouri history (top that, Wash U!) and it's gonna make a whimper on Subway's journal tapes.


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I am pleased to announce that this tournament should become the guinea pig for my new tournament management program. It is Internet-based, so if we are able to use it the way it is designed, scorekeepers will be able to enter scores on the computer in their room and will instantly update the totals. This means that if you're not at a tournament on that day and you decide "Who's kicking butt in L-Town today?" you can see up-to-the-second results!!

To test the program, I have entered the results from last year's tournament and it worked very well.

The results page is located at http://results.libertyscobo.phoenixrising-web.net

(Oh, and I will also be using the old Excel method just in case something catastrophic happens with the program)


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Have you guys decided if the 4th quarter toss-ups are going to be 10 or 20 points yet?


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MoundCityBMW...T wrote:
Have you guys decided if the 4th quarter toss-ups are going to be 10 or 20 points yet?

My moderator guidelines state 20 points.


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Oh yeah they're worth 20. I should have posted that weeks ago.


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Well, 13 and a half hours until the games begin... good luck to everyone... I hope my program doesn't malfunction horribly. I will be entering the scores myself, so it's all on me.

Don't forget - if you're not busy tomorrow and all goes well, you can see live results:

:D http://results.libertyscobo.phoenixrising-web.net :D

(My prediction is that if anything goes wrong, it's the host being down...)


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The address above has been fixed. For some reason, Brinkster was set up so that I couldn't modify the database. It has been on phoenixrising all day, but both still redirected to brinkster. The link should be fixed now.


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After a whole lot of chaos, it is 12:25 and we are FINALLY done with round 3.

Platte County and Raytown did not bring Varsity teams, so we spent way too long getting the bracket updated. There was a little bit of confusion with where people were supposed to be... I didn't get the seeds from Camp until late in the first round. Less than a minute after I got all the teams placed and scores entered for round 1, round 2 scores started pouring in. We had to push round 4 back to 1:00.

Anyway, remember you can see the results at the website above.


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I can't see the info on either site


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I fixed it... they both redirected to the wrong site. (See corrected post above)


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it is still redirecting


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This link had better not fail: http://scores.libertyscobo.phoenixrising-w...ts/Default.aspx


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Whats up with the low scores?


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... and all the 5 point differences...

Our questions are a little more pyramidal than the previous tournaments this year. I am really appalled at how low certain scores are. I don't know if it's because they're harder or if teams aren't used to our style of questions. I'm about to go watch my final between Barstow and ___?____. I hope they play well.


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Final Results and Statistics (and a whole lot of rambling analysis)

Full Results available at http://results.libertyscobo.phoenixrising-web.net http://results.scobo.net/Liberty

The Overall Verdict: It would have run nearly flawlessly if Raytown and Platte County brought Varsity teams as they registered.

Varsity:

1st - Savannah - 355
2nd - Barstow - 115

Highest Scores:
Round 1 - Savannah (410)
Round 2 - Savannah (460)
Round 3 - Savannah (385)
Round 4 - Savannah (270)
Round 5 - Savannah (425)
Round 6 - Barstow (275)

5 point differences:
Raytown South 210, Lee's Summit West 205 (Rd 2)
Park Hill 280, Cameron 275 (Rd 2)
Cameron 225, Mound City 220 (Rd 3)
Lee's Summit North 220, Park Hill 215 (Rd 4)*
Lee's Summit West 240, Lexington 235 (Rd 4)
Cameron 195, Park Hill South 190 (Rd 4)
Barstow 270, Blue Springs 265 (Rd 5)
Lee's Summit West 280, Truman 275 (Rd 5)

*This game reportedly had a moderator inconsistency in favor of LSN

10 point differences:
Smithville 165, William Chrisman 155 (Rd 2)
Park Hill South 225, St. Joseph Christian 215 (Rd 3)
TEAM X 95, Blue Springs South 85 (Rd 3 - two years in a row a filler team has won a game)
Barstow 205, Kearney 195 (Rd 4)

40 point differences (one question in Quarter 4 could have changed the outcome):
Mound City 250, Lee's Summit 235 (Rd 1)
Blue Springs 245, Raytown South 215 (Rd 3)
Kearney 250, Oak Grove 210 (Rd 3)
Lee's Summit West 265, Lee's Summit North 240 (Rd 3)
North Kansas City 255, Lee's Summit 230 (Rd 4)

Total Close Games: 17




Junior Varsity:
1st - Lee's Summit North - 270
2nd - Oak Park - 140

Highest Scores:
Round 1 - Platte County (495)
Round 2 - Oak Park (390)
Round 3 - Platte County (385)
Round 4 - Savannah (370)
Round 5 - Lee's Summit North (345)
Round 6 - Lee's Summit North (320)

10 point differences:
Park Hill South 240, Barstow 230 (Rd 2)
Lee's Summit North 230, Oak Grove 220 (Rd 4)

20 point differences
Mound City 185, Winnetonka 170 (Rd 1)
Maryville 200, Belton A 180 (Rd 1)
Platte County 290, Truman 275 (Rd 2)
Raytown South 265, North Kansas City 240 (Rd 3)
North Kansas City 200, Platte County 185 (Rd 4)

40 point differences (one question in Quarter 4 could have changed the outcome):
Kearney 330, Oak Grove 290 (Rd 1)
William Chrisman 250, Lee's Summit West 215 (Rd 2)
Smithville 320, North Kansas City 295 (Rd 2)
Truman 210, Kearney 175 (Rd 3)
William Chrisman 210, Fort Osage 170 (Rd 4)
Oak Park 225, Park Hill 190 (Rd 5)

Total Close Games: 13




My Comments

Running the Tournament

58 teams is way too much, especially when you have only three people working Tournament Central.

There was a major snafu in getting teams placed in the first round. Platte County and Raytown did not bring Varsity teams even after registering them, so we had to scurry to get the bracket down to 28 teams. Once I got everything in the computer fixed, we couldn't find Camp to get the room assignments to enter into the computer and to direct lost teams where to go. I got all the teams put in the right rooms and all Round 1 scores entered, and about a minute later, Round 2 scores came flying in. I really didn't get to rest until the middle of lunch.

Luckily, the program arranged seeds correctly after verifying with the Excel backup (it was just a simple plugging in team points for and against). There was one problem that occurred - Round 3 scores did not submit properly because my recently altered coding apparently tells it to ignore updating if bracket seeding is done after the round. But since the teams didn't go anywhere specific after the round, it was easy to manually enter the scores. It shouldn't be too hard to fix. Other than that, my program worked great. I think it would have been harder to downsize the bracket to 28 teams using the Excel sheet I used last year.



Results

Too many close games!!!

Varsity What-Ifs:

Barstow squeaked by in Rounds 4 & 5 - they almost wouldn't have made it to the final!
Cameron lost by 5 in Round 2 and won by 5 in round 3 to make up for it. They then won by 5 in Round 4 and made it to the Semifinals
Lee's Summit West won by 5 points in Rounds 4 and 5 to go up against Savannah in the Semifinals. If they had lost round 3, they would have been at highest seed 15.
If Blue Springs South had won the Team X game, they would have been 2-1 and would have taken 14th seed, even if they cumulatively scored less than 500 points.
If Mound City had won round 3, they would have made the top 16 and Cameron would have been the seed below.
If Oak Grove had won round 3, they would have made the top 16 and Kearney should have made it as well.



JV What-Ifs:

The 1-8-9-16 Quarterfinal could have been dramatically different.
Lee's Summit North, the JV champion, beat Oak Grove by 10 points to advance to the quarterfinal.
North Kansas City (#16) barely beat #1 Platte County to advance to play the LSN/Oak Grove winner.
The two North Kansas City losses in the morning were both by less than 40 points.
Kearney's only win was by 30 points. If Oak Grove had won, they could have gone 3-0.
If Lee's Summit West had defeated William Chrisman, William Chrisman wouldn't have gone 3-0 and Lee's Summit West could have made the top 16.
If Kearney had defeated Truman in Round 3, Kearney would have made the Top 16 and Truman would have been out by about 30 points.
If Park Hill had defeated Oak Park in the Quarterfinal, Oak Park wouldn't have made it to the Final.




Next Year
We=Liberty, since I will be at UMR next year

There will definitely be a cap on the number of teams that can come next year . Since we are hosting our district (and Conference if we win it this year), we are definitely only hosting one tournament. The preliminary number is 32, whether it is 32 Varsity or 16 Varsity and 16 JV (the latter of which would have to have a one-team-per-school limit).

I may end up having to run stats again next year since the mass confusion could have made anybody else go crazy (because I designed the program and knew exactly how to fix it, not necessarily because others couldn't handle it). And in actuality, we really needed one person entering Varsity scores and one entering JV scores. At 32 teams total, it shouldn't be such a big deal though. I think we should have had 5 people in Tournament Central for such a large tournament: computer person for both, runner for both, and Camp as the fifth to solve major issues with either.

I think the coaches meeting should not start until the Round 1 brackets are finalized and posted. Much of the Varsity snafus and delays came from that.

I'm sure we will have backup bracket setups on hand just in case teams back out. I was actually planning to have one ready just in case but never got around to it. But at 16 teams in each, I would think only bad weather or sudden emergencies (as in Leblond's absence) would cause a bracket change. If we ran a 32 team Varsity only, there would most certainly have to be a contingency plan since the likelihood of that happening increases.




OK... I'm done.








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Last edited by Jeffrey Hill on Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Watch out for... WILLIAM CHRISMAN!?

Seriously, the Bears of Willaim Chrisman went 3-0 in JV and defeated Savannah twice. I am surprised. Whatever their JV coach is doing, keep it up because the Big 7 will not look the same.

Oh, and congrats to Lee's Summit West's Varsity. In the school's first year, Varsity took fourth. (Please note this was posted before one of Jeff's edits.) However, they need to be much more daring on the lightning rounds. Trailing by 70 to Savannah, they just picked a category and sat on it.


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hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha, William Chrisman.

(at least their varsity team.)

Team X at NKC beat them.

and this morning, Blue Springs South beat them. Blue Springs South had two people on their team, the second of which did not show up until second half; nevertheless, BSS was leading at the half 45-30. One person was beating Chrisman.

Not that I laugh at other teams or anything. I'm a good person, come on.


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Next year we need to get Dallas (the voice of KLPS and Blue Jay Sports internet radio) to moderate.


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What did everybody think of our low-scoring questions?


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What did everybody think of our low-scoring questions?

I wouldn't brag about them being low-scoring unless you're talking to soccer hooligans. Those scores are comparable to those in a MSHSAA-format tournament.


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I wasn't bragging.

Here's the highest combined and average scores for each round
990 points possible, if both sweeping bonuses were awarded for a team sweeping both lightning rounds. (If I said 840 before, it's because I didn't take into account double points in the 4th quarter)

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ScoBo1987 wrote:
Highest Scores:
Round 1 - Savannah (410)
Round 2 - Savannah (460)
Round 3 - Savannah (385)
Round 4 - Savannah (270)
Round 5 - Savannah (425)
Round 6 - Barstow (275)


Avg: = Round Winner Average to Round Loser Average, total

Round 1 - 595 - Savannah 410, Oak Grove 185 (Avg: 289-131, 420)
Round 2 - 645 - Savannah 460, Barstow 185 (Avg: 300-168, 468)
Round 3 - 540 - Savannah 385, NKC 155 (Avg: 236-174, 410)
Round 4 - 485 - NKC 255, Lee's Summit 230 (Avg: 233-191, 424)
Round 5 - 590 - Savannah 425, NKC 165 (Avg: 313-229, 542)
Round 6 - 465 - Barstow 275, Cameron 190 (Avg: 273-145, 418)
Final - 470

Average Winner Score: 273 (last year 303)
Average Loser Score: 166 (last year 206)
Average Team Score: 219 (last year 255)

Looks like Round 1 may have been a wake up call to tell everybody that our questions are a little different, seeing how they played better in round 2.


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ScoBo1987 wrote:
Highest Scores:
Round 1 - Platte County (495)
Round 2 - Oak Park (390)
Round 3 - Platte County (385)
Round 4 - Savannah (370)
Round 5 - Lee's Summit North (345)
Round 6 - Lee's Summit North (320)


Round 1 - 650 - LSN 355, Blue Springs 295 (Avg: 325-188, 513)
Round 2 - 615 - Smithville 320, NKC 295 (Avg: 286-183, 469)
Round 3 - 570 - Oak Park 350, Lee's Summit 220 (Avg: 278-165, 443)
Round 4 - 455 - Truman 260, Lee's Summit 195 (Avg: 258-144, 402)
Round 5 - 540 - William Chrisman 315, Savannah 225 (Avg: 273-164, 437)
Round 6 - 555 - LSN 320, William Chrisman 235 (Avg: 283-205, 488)
Final - 410

Average Winner Score: 289 (last year 313)
Average Loser Score: 173 (last year 181)
Average Team Score: 231 (last year 247)

JV round 1 was the easiest stuff in the database, hence the high scores. (They were definitely straightforward because the packet was a page shorter than the rest.)


Looks like it's not much lower than last year either way.

I need a life...


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I know I said this above but it got obscured by more stats...

If you played, what did you think of the questions?


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