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Missouri S&T Spring Tournament - 3/7/09
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DeckardCain
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 Posts: 3874 Location: Columbia, MO
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 Missouri S&T Spring Tournament - 3/7/09
DeckardCain wrote: Also, the score in the bracket is a typo, and the score listed on the scoreboard page (245-170) is correct. This is now fixed.
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| Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:25 pm |
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redliberte
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2007 Posts: 409
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Charbroil wrote: Also, I would agree that this might have been our best tournament. Then again, I'm slightly biased. Rolla Spring my senior year was my favorite tournament I went to during my time playing, and I think my best tournament during my time  .
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| Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:11 pm |
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FZW Coach
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 Posts: 874
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ashkenaziCD wrote: I hope you choose to take your arguments to the bigtimes on hsquizbowl.org, because somehow all of the formats that are considered to be good universally around the nation significantly reduce and usually eliminate math calculation. If you are able to prove to the rest of the country and to all the authorities on what good quizbowl is that nationwide standards are wrong and that Missouri's standards are correct about this matter, then I will change my belief unconditionally. The choice is yours, just go to hsquizbowl.org and start a thread laying out your belief about why math calculation needs to happen. That sounds like a noble idea.
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| Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:04 am |
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FZW Coach
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 Posts: 874
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redliberte wrote: Charbroil wrote: Also, I would agree that this might have been our best tournament. Then again, I'm slightly biased. Rolla Spring my senior year was my favorite tournament I went to during my time playing, and I think my best tournament during my time  . You were pretty impressive at this tournament. Interestingly enough, Julia was our 2nd best scorer at this tournament her sophomore year. That Danielle girl just never went to anything outside of St. Charles County her senior year leaving Teri to defend for herself.
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| Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:37 am |
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CherryCokeStain
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 Posts: 79
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We had 3 more tossups than FHC in the final. But we didn't get the ones with the bonuses. We shot ourselves in the foot, and they capitalized, and Charles played a very good game as always. This does however point out a flaw in the MSHSAA format that not all tossups are rewarded with bonuses, and it really doesn't make any difference what happens in the 1st and 3rd quarters, because those tossups are meaningless without an attached bonus. Of our 22 tossups, 17 of them came in 1 and 3.
I don't say any of this to discredit FHC, they deserved to win since we just couldn't get the things we needed to get. I also don't want to discredit the questions, which were just fine. But I just really hope that Missouri switches to 20-20 like the rest of the quizbowl universe, for this reason, and the fact that the MSHSAA games are endlessly long, and without competent moderators, cannot be done with good questions.
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| Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:24 pm |
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ELADAMO89
Joined: Sat Nov 17, 2007 Posts: 144 Location: fordland,MO
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Quote: P.P.S. How did you guys manage to misplace the most important scoresheet in small schools? Does anyone know the score for Fordland vs. Salem A?
Fordland 205 - SalemA 195 i don't know about the 3rd place game
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| Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:53 pm |
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DeckardCain
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 Posts: 3874 Location: Columbia, MO
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Dear coaches, First of all, I would like to thank everyone for attending the 2009 Missouri S&T Spring Tournament. Francis Howell Central A emerged as champion of the large school division with a 340-265 win over North Kansas City in the championship game, and Liberty defeated Eureka for third place. In the small school division the champion is Fordland, who clinched their championship with the second of their two ten-point wins over Salem A; the final score of the championship game was 205-195. Hancock A took third, defeating Salem B in the third-place game. Congratulations to all teams on their fine performances. Full results have been posted on the Missouri S&T ACO website: Small school results: http://web.mst.edu/~cbowl/hosting/0809/spring09smallfull_standings.html (full standings); http://web.mst.edu/~cbowl/hosting/0809/spring09small_standings.html (preliminary rounds only) Large school results: http://web.mst.edu/~cbowl/hosting/0809/spring09largefull_standings.html (full standings); http://web.mst.edu/~cbowl/hosting/0809/spring09large_standings.html (preliminary rounds only) (A quick note on the small-school results: for some reason, the scoresheets from the final round's games somehow never made it back to me after the tournament, so unfortunately I've been unable to enter complete results from those games. If anyone is able to fill me in, I'll be happy to go back and enter those stats.) On the strength of these results, the top two teams in each division have qualified for two national tournaments: the NAQT High School National Championship Tournament, which will be held May 29-31 in Chicago, and the PACE National Scholastic Championship, which will be held May 23-24 on the campus of George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. Information on these two tournaments can be found at http://www.naqt.com/hsnct/2009/details.html and http://www.pace-nsc.org/ respectively. I would like to thank the following people for graciously volunteering their time to help staff this tournament: Dr. Ilene Morgan, Sean Phillips, Paul Nelson, Neel Kotra, Zack Christensen, John Ahlfield, and Ryan Stander. Missouri S&T will host two high school tournaments next year: the Fall Tournament will be held on December 12, and the Spring Tournament will be held on March 6. Invitations will be sent out later, but I wanted to go ahead and get the date out now. The NAQT Missouri Qualifier will be held on March 20; I will still be directing this tournament, but it will be held on the campus of the University of Missouri in Columbia, in order to provide a more centralized location. Please find attached to this email a copy of all seven rounds of questions used at this tournament. Once again, I would like to thank everyone for attending, and wish your teams the best of luck as they compete the rest of the season. Matt Chadbourne Missouri S&T ACO
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| Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:23 pm |
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DeckardCain
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 Posts: 3874 Location: Columbia, MO
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Discussion on the relative merits of MSHSAA and tossup-bonus formats has been moved here.
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| Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:38 pm |
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Charbroil
Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 1004
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 Missouri S&T Spring Tournament - 3/7/09
Hey, did you by any chance enclose a copy of the special 3rd place match set that you had to create on the fly?
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| Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:52 am |
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ashkenaziCD
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 Posts: 4111 Location: Columbia, MO
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Why would they not use the same match as the final? That's what every other tournament in existence does.
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| Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:54 am |
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Charbroil
Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 1004
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There was an issue with the wrong packet being read in one of the playoff games, so that Liberty heard the semifinal packet in quarterfinals while NKC, Eureka, and we heard the quarterfinal packet. Thus, we all used the final packet (#7) for semfinals, and because NKC and we hadn't heard the semifinal packet, we used that one for finals. However, I don't know what packet Liberty vs. Eureka was played on, though I heard that it was a new MSHSAA format packet created on the fly with extra questions.
It was that packet I was referring to.
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| Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:38 am |
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FishyFreshman
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 Posts: 501
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Yeah that's the message we got. We had the 3rd and 4th quarters brought into the room during the game haha.
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| Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:04 pm |
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ashkenaziCD
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 Posts: 4111 Location: Columbia, MO
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FZW Coach wrote: ashkenaziCD wrote: I hope you choose to take your arguments to the bigtimes on hsquizbowl.org, because somehow all of the formats that are considered to be good universally around the nation significantly reduce and usually eliminate math calculation. If you are able to prove to the rest of the country and to all the authorities on what good quizbowl is that nationwide standards are wrong and that Missouri's standards are correct about this matter, then I will change my belief unconditionally. The choice is yours, just go to hsquizbowl.org and start a thread laying out your belief about why math calculation needs to happen. That sounds like a noble idea. If it's so noble, then I'd hope that I'll see something on there soon since its been a couple days since I originally brought the idea up.
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| Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:29 pm |
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FZW Coach
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 Posts: 874
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Well, I am not on the internet all that often during the week. I just have too many other things to do. Grading!! Ugh! The end of the quarter is Friday and I am still not caught up.
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| Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:44 am |
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DeckardCain
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 Posts: 3874 Location: Columbia, MO
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Charbroil wrote: There was an issue with the wrong packet being read in one of the playoff games, so that Liberty heard the semifinal packet in quarterfinals while NKC, Eureka, and we heard the quarterfinal packet. Thus, we all used the final packet (#7) for semfinals, and because NKC and we hadn't heard the semifinal packet, we used that one for finals. However, I don't know what packet Liberty vs. Eureka was played on, though I heard that it was a new MSHSAA format packet created on the fly with extra questions.
It was that packet I was referring to. This is correct. I'm unfortunately not going to be able to distribute that packet, though.
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| Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:50 pm |
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