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Charbroil
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Post by Charbroil » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:10 pm

So, this Saturday, the 8th of November, is the tournament at Hancock High School. I know that we and Hallsville are going...who else?

Furthermore, does anyone know who the question provider is going to be? And what are the question and tournament formats going to be?

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Post by Jeffrey Hill » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:24 pm

From MACA website:
This is the third year for the tournament and we hope to attract 20 teams. We are in need of buzzer/responder systems and will provide a $5 discount if supplied. Additional discounts of $5 will be applied for multiple teams, distance of an hour or more traveled and MACA membership. The state format will be use and the cost is $75 per team that includes a copy of the questions used.
So probably a typical 3 morning rounds plus single-elimination playoff.

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Post by wldcat_blldog » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:54 pm

Eureka will be there with two teams.

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Post by Charbroil » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:03 pm

Well, FHC took 1st at the tournament and FZW A took second. John (whom I finally got the chance to meet today) will give the more detailed results, but here are some observations:

I finally got to meet unalloyed Questions Galore today, and...ugh. True, I think the right teams did win (though I suppose I might be a trifle biased in that regard :D ) but there were many instances where much weaker teams held onto us because the questions were simply...unanswerable.

First of all, over half of the social studies consisted of several subsections of social studies that should not be that prevalent. We had a similar issue with ~70% of the miscellaneous questions falling under just one category. (If you guys feel I can name these categories, I'll specify)

Second, the questions were incredibly repetitive. Various authors & books (who shall not be named) came up over and over again.

Finally, the questions slewed back and forth from the painfully obscure to the painfully obvious, and the answers were often absurdly precise. There were instances of both too much information and too little penalizing teams. Add to that a lot of left turns and irrelevant information, and answering questions before they ended was...dangerous at best.

Just to note, the format of the tournament...could have been improved upon. Eureka (which I believe was significantly stronger than at least half of the teams that advanced into finals) didn't advance because they were placed with us in our preliminary bracket. Fort Zumwalt West A, which scored the 2nd highest in preliminaries, ended up getting seeded 8th as a wild card and had to claw their way up (including beating out Parkway Central, which had beaten them in their pool) in order to play us for 1st.

Just to note, the story of our final match was rather amusing...we entered the final question up by 10, lost the tossup, lost the first two bonuses, then got the last two to tie the game. We then played a 7 question overtime round, won one tossup, they won two, we won another...and the last question was unanswerable by either team. We then went into double overtime, where my math specialist, George, got the last tossup to win overtime. As our coach put it, it "couldn't have been scripted better if it was a movie."

By the way, I think this will help dispel the idea that we're just a "one man team with a math specialist." Admittedly, George and I did answer the most questions, but the two other players (Kevin & Lucas) were very helpful in covering for us, and I appreciate their help. We were lucky to bring the "dream team" of our best players to this tournament...we needed every one of them.

Oh, and on an interesting note, 4 of the top 5 scorers were MSA 2007 alumni:

1/ Taylor Smith (47)--Hallsville
3/ Charles Hang (36)--Francis Howell Central
4/ Kevin Sheng (32)--Eureka A
5/ Julia Price (31)--Fort Zumwalt West.

Boomba Hey! :) Very impressive, everyone...


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Post by AShoaib » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:09 pm

I'm never going to hear the end of how my absence cost us the tournament. *frown*

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Post by Charbroil » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:13 pm

Yeah...we beat Eureka in the first game by 15. :D

I'm sorry to hear about your great-aunt, by the way, and I hope that everything's alright. I'll be praying for you...

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Post by socalcaptain » Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:11 am

Woohoo! Congrats Taylor!

Now that I'm not competing against him, we can be friends. :)

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Post by FZW Coach » Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:58 am

We actually had 2 of the first 7 OT questions with FHC having two. Julia and Kai both answered questions in OT. FHC answered 1 spelling questions and 2 basic trig questions (both by George) which left me screaming, "Why won't we hit quadrantal angles?!" Both Julia and Kai had me last year for Precalculus, so I expected a little more speed from them on that basic trig stuff.


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Post by FZW Coach » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:30 am

A Bracket

SLUH 245, Valley Park 90
St. Genevie 150, Owensville B 130

SLUH 150, St. Genevie 140
Valley Park 180, Owensville B 130

SLUH 165, Owensville B 120
Valley Park 155, St. Genevie 75

SLUH 3-0, 560
Valley Park 2-1, 425
St. Genevie 1-2, 365
Owensville B 0-3, 380

Bracket B
FZW A 250, PCH 390
Herkulaneum 70, Eureka B 150

FZW A 405, Herkulaneum 45
PCH 310, Eureka B 100

FZW A 285, Eureka B 40
Herkulaneum 50, PCH 340

PCH 3-0, 980
FZW A 2-1, 940
Eureka B 1-2, 290
Herkulaneum 0-3, 165

Bracket C
CBC 3-0, 745
West County A 2-1, 370
Rockwood Summit 1-2, 335
Helias B 0-3, 135

Bracket D
Savannah 3-0, 755
FZW B 2-1, 645
Crystal City 1-2, 225
Warrenton 0-3, 305

Savannah 180, FZW B 160 (round 3)

Bracket E
FHC 3-0, 900
Eureka A 2-1, 775
Villa Duchesne B 1-2, 375
DeSmet B 0-3, 185

Bracket F
SLUH B 3-0, 415
Helias A 2-1, 785
DeSmet A 1-2, 495
Owensville A 0-3, 240

Bracket G
Hallsville 3-0, 800
Villa Duchesne A 2-1, 530
Hancock 1-2, 370
West County B 0-3, 135

1. PCH
2. FHC
3. Hallsville
4. Savannah
5. CBC
6. SLUH A
7. SLUH B
8. FZW A

I don't have most of the playoff scores.

FZW A 285, PCH 265
FHC 270 (? I think) defeated SLUH B
SLUH A defeated Hallsville
CBC defeated Savannah

FZW A 345, CBC 180
FHC defeated SLUH A

FZW A 205, FHC 205
* 2 OT questions (FZW), 3 OT questions (FHC)

Championship game
FZW: Michael (1), Julia (11), Kai (2), Ryan (1); Julia had 2 in OT (I misspoke earlier)
FHC: Charles (9), George (2), Kevin (3), Lucas (1); George had 2 in OT, Kevin had 1


They would not allow me to substitute in our B players, which would have helped in certain times in the game. Robert (FZW B) tied Kai (FZW A) for 15th top scorer.


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Post by FZW Coach » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:36 am

We did have our best 9 players there. That was certainly nice for me to see. But, our best four are not on our A team. Robert will certainly be a starter by the end of the year and Abby will be contributing at select times. It will be interesting to see how they develop throughout the year.

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Post by Charbroil » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:20 pm

Yeah...sorry about that. I meant to say that we got one, you guys got two, and then we got another, but I accidentally wrote one instead of two.

Incidentally, Coach Gibbs, your comment about the trig problems brought something we noticed to mind (which I think you noticed too, in describing your first match vs. PCH). So, if you don't mind my mentioning it...

We seemed to consistently beat out your team on tossup only rounds, while you guys beat us in the bonus rounds. If you look at the score sheet, we either opened or held leads in both rounds 1 and 3, while you guys closed on us during rounds 2 and 4. Did you also notice a tendency on your team to get tossups after we messed them up?

What's sad about this issue is, despite the fact that we were faster and more aggressive, we still ended up with the same number of tossups. There were so many left turns in the questions that we were losing as many questions from bad guesses as gaining them from speed and aggressiveness.

By the way, it was kind of funny...even though we're the ones reputed to be a one (or two) man team between me and George, we actually had a more even distribution of tossups than you guys did. You should go congratulate Julia on getting all of those questions...she isn't going to talk to me for a week. :D

Also, did anyone else notice how in the quarterfinals every lower seeded team one other than in our match?


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Post by AShoaib » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:35 pm

Just curious-- how's SLUH? Are they a major contender in our district? I'm looking at the scores, but they don't look too hot.

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Post by Charbroil » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:46 pm

They were fairly tough, but definitely beatable. Admittedly, they split their team in two, so it's very possible that with the top players combined from both teams, they'd be much stronger.

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Post by Charbroil » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:33 pm

By the way, it was Lucas who had the question in overtime. And our score for our match vs. SLUH B is about right--their score was about half of ours.

Finally, didn't the information sheet say that the results would be posted online on the Hancock website? Does anyone know where that would be?

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Post by ZhangC1459 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:07 pm

Ugh, don't get me started on Hancock. That loss to FZW after beating them in the preliminaries... well, to be honest, that sucked.

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Post by FishyFreshman » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:01 pm

Identify yourself and the school you are from, forum rules. It's easiest to just dump it in your signature.

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Post by FZW Coach » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:52 pm

Were the scores from this tournament recorded for Byko? I think they were.

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Post by WillHack » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:04 pm

All of our Hancock scores are in.

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Post by Charbroil » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:13 pm

None of ours are--except for our final scores. I think that's because Coach Gibbs only had scores from his bracket (including you, Will) and his playoffs, which only featured us in the final.

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Post by WillHack » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:35 pm

That would make sense. . . .

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