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- Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:55 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: Missouri High School Preview 2010
- Replies: 19
- Views: 3613
Missouri High School Preview 2010
who ended up winning the mizzou tournament?
- Tue May 19, 2009 8:16 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: College destinations
- Replies: 70
- Views: 11737
College destinations
uhh... I guess college quiz bowl would be fun. What are the questions like?
- Sat May 16, 2009 9:43 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: MSA
- Replies: 66
- Views: 7350
MSA
I was in Steve M's House. MSA was pretty ballin.
If i remember correctly, there was a valiant attempt at pyramidal questions, but the early clues were ridiculously hard and so it ended up coming down to the giveaways.
If i remember correctly, there was a valiant attempt at pyramidal questions, but the early clues were ridiculously hard and so it ended up coming down to the giveaways.
- Tue May 12, 2009 3:52 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
It's rather difficult to come up with the amount of math calculation that MSHSAA distribution requires and still have the questions be pyramidal. There is a very small number of askable topics that can be done pyramidally. While the derivative question that Charles just posted is in fact basically ...
- Tue May 12, 2009 3:44 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
Can you honestly say that there's no advantage to at least this much pyramidality in math tossups? Or that the Questions Galore version does just as good a job of awarding deep knowledge as this tossup does? Yes, there is. Which proves that math calc isn't worthless, at least by your own standards....
- Tue May 12, 2009 3:31 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
people want pyramidal questions not out of some neurotic obsession with them, but because they better test deep knowledge of a topic--something I think we all agree should trump basic knowledge in a tossup. That's what I've been saying this entire thread, actually. What no one seems to want to admi...
- Tue May 12, 2009 3:03 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
Thus, saying that "I'm a player, not a writer" is a rather poor argument because good players are both. I'm sorry if I offended anyone with what I said. That being said, that remark wasn't an actual argument in itself. It was poking fun at the ridiculous nature of the original argument of...
- Mon May 11, 2009 10:38 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
It wasn't an experiment as much as their whole approach to math calc which can be found in just about any NAQT IS set for the last decade. Instead of basically saying "find the derivative of 4x2-7x-ln" they'd be written as follows (QUOTING IS68): A first-class postage stamp in Freedonia n...
- Mon May 11, 2009 10:09 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
To clarify my point: 1) Marc proposed a solution to make math q's less of a buzzer race and therefore justify math calc's existence in the distribution. 2) I stated that Marc's solvency had been attempted by some of the foremost experts on mathematics in quizbowl (NAQT) who are more eminently quali...
- Mon May 11, 2009 10:00 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
Doing "research" to make questions take 10 seconds is precisely what NAQT tried to do this is nice, but doesn't actually say what the problem was. It does if you read the rest of the post, instead of cherry picking statements and quoting them out of context to try to prove a point. You se...
- Mon May 11, 2009 9:48 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
The whole point of the High School Academic Pyramid Questions is to make q's that are pyramidal. well, yes... one would assume... lol they provide a combination of teaching new facts, reinforcing old ones, and rewarding those who do learn more about the topic. So do math calculations. No one has ev...
- Mon May 11, 2009 9:26 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
ok, maybe this wasn't clear, but here goes. We don't love pyramidal questions because the name sounds cool. We love them because they eliminate buzzer beaters. I've already talked about how to eliminate buzzer beaters with regard to math calculations. Thus it doesn't really matter that math calculat...
- Mon May 11, 2009 9:06 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
Read here for more argument that it really is something that is pretty unworkable - http://hsapq.com/math.html The arguments on the link are as follows 1. It is not possible to write math calculation tossups in the pyramidal style [because it is ultimately a buzzer beater] I've already addressed th...
- Mon May 11, 2009 8:17 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
Then how come nationally computation is being reduced and reduced into irrelevancy. If a true solution to the problem of keeping computations pyramidal existed, you would think that around the country (and especially universally at the college level) they would have implemented that solution alread...
- Mon May 11, 2009 8:13 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
About the computation thing, I actually think that question falls into a gray area. You can have the same situation in another topic like history--for example, if I buzz in too early on something like "He led United States troops in Vietnam" *Buzz*--Westmoreland--incorrect--"from 196...
- Mon May 11, 2009 8:03 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
The whole point is that math calculations suck and shouldn't be in quizbowl. There's been a lot of debate about this, but I think that on the whole, math calculation is a perfectly acceptable format under certain conditions. People on this forum have emphasized the "theory" behind math, b...
- Mon May 11, 2009 7:45 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
Imagine that math calculation is a different type of question... like, what, are you supposed to blitz math now?ashkenaziCD wrote:Imagine saying that about any other category of question.
- Mon May 11, 2009 7:34 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
- Replies: 83
- Views: 26347
The computation discussion post-MSHSAA State
Calculate the derivative of 4x<sup>2</sup>-7x -ln(x) That's a legit calculation (although I acknowledge that some people think that's an oxymoron). I don't know why you wouldn't wait until the mod stopped talking, especially when there are plenty of polynomial functions in the real world that have ...
- Mon May 11, 2009 5:59 pm
- Forum: Tournament Announcements and Discussion
- Topic: 2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
- Replies: 113
- Views: 25981
2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
My bad, Charles. Forgive my snarkiness.
- Mon May 11, 2009 5:17 pm
- Forum: Tournament Announcements and Discussion
- Topic: 2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
- Replies: 113
- Views: 25981
2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
Our coach noticed you guys getting several non-canonical QG things that would have made it seem that way. a broad base of knowledge is never going to hurt you, no matter what type of questions you're playing. In our case, Jason Bell knows really obscure things about food, e.g. what a quince is and ...
- Sun May 10, 2009 9:26 pm
- Forum: Tournament Announcements and Discussion
- Topic: 2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
- Replies: 113
- Views: 25981
2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
oh right, I forgot that it's now convention to form conclusions based on the absence of evidence.
(in reference to Will's post)
(in reference to Will's post)
- Sun May 10, 2009 8:58 pm
- Forum: Tournament Announcements and Discussion
- Topic: 2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
- Replies: 113
- Views: 25981
2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
Dude I love buzzer racez so muchzors!!!! I mean, if we didn't have QG, we would never be able to beat other teamzzzzzz!
- Sun May 10, 2009 8:51 pm
- Forum: Tournament Announcements and Discussion
- Topic: 2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
- Replies: 113
- Views: 25981
2009 MSHSAA State Tournament Discussion
I don't know what you're talking about, jack, we go to QG tournaments all the time!
- Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:03 pm
- Forum: Tournament Announcements and Discussion
- Topic: 2009 MSHSAA Sectionals Discussion
- Replies: 56
- Views: 17417
2009 MSHSAA Sectionals Discussion
hahaha... I really was about to buzz in with Mao's book on that 2nd most published book question. I'm not sure what stopped me, but I'm glad I hesitated...
- Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:11 pm
- Forum: Tournament Announcements and Discussion
- Topic: 2009 MSHSAA Sectionals Discussion
- Replies: 56
- Views: 17417
2009 MSHSAA Sectionals Discussion
Some bonuses were inordinately easy while others were ridiculously hard.